WinHEC 2005 - Keynote and Day 1
by Derek Wilson & Jarred Walton on April 26, 2005 4:00 AM EST- Posted in
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Hybrid Hard Drives
If new and improved firmware management doesn't strike your fancy, Microsoft is working together with Samsung and others to create a new breed of hard disk drive. You may have noticed a slide earlier mentioning the potential for "hybrid hard drives". The basic premise of the hybrid hard drive will be the inclusion of non-volatile flash ram inside the drive itself.Though it hasn't made a great deal of headway yet, Microsoft is really hoping this idea will take off. Gaining support for this technology will round out Longhorn's disk read caching scheme. The aggressive read caching Longhorn does is able to minimize disk accesses for reads by moving large amounts of data into RAM. Unfortunately, using system memory as a writeback cache is not a very feasible (or safe) option. In order to cache disk writes, fast, solid state, non-volatile RAM can be used.
Rather than shove this NVRAM on the motherboard and add a level of complexity to the rest of the system, Microsoft and others have determined that giving hard drive manufacturers full control over the use of NVRAM and caching will allow the rest of the system to operate as if nothing has changed. With the hybrid hard drive managing its own 64MB to 128MB writeback cache, the OS need not worry about what is going on internally with the drive.
The upside to all this is that normal usage models show that average users don't usually write more than 64MB every 10 minutes. This means that the average case may see zero writes hitting the hard drive for 10 minutes, and possibly more with the 128MB solution. Combined with the read cache built into Longhorn, we could see zero disk accesses for 10 to 15 minutes on a heavily utilized system once the OS and applications have initialized. This could mean very large thermal and power savings on notebook drives. Microsoft talked about dropping average drive power consumption over 50%.
In addition to keeping disks turned off on notebook applications, with no parts moving there is less chance for failure. This could help avoid issues that even today's accelerometers can't avoid. An added benefit is also faster resume from hibernation and quick boot time. The system is able to store boot data in the NVRAM. Upon startup, the BIOS is able to access this data without waiting at all for the hard drive to spin up. By the time the system is finished with NVRAM, the drive will be at full speed and ready to continue loading the OS.
There was some talk about hybrid HDDs improving MTBF (mean time before failure), but we will have to wait and talk to the disk manufacturers about this one. It seems counter intuitive that spinning up and powering down the disk more often will do enough to decrease wear on the drive as a whole. The heads will benefit, but how will the added wear on the spindle affect failure rates?
Other questions include the speed and cost of flash RAM proposed for inclusion in hybrid disks. Today's flash RAM is at least an order of magnitude slower than hard drive speeds. Microsoft says they expect 1 nand Flash to reach speeds nearing 100MB/s by the time hybrid disks see the market. They also expect this Flash RAM to be relatively cheap. We aren't so optimistic at this point, but you never know. It may seem enough of an advantage to a company like Samsung (who makes disks and Flash RAM) to really push costs to a point where hybrid hard drives are feasible.
We aren't quite sure we like the idea of windows aggressive approach to caching yet, but it seems to have worked well for OS X thus far. Only time will tell if Microsoft's approach is as good as Apple's.
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PrinceGaz - Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - link
from page 3 "...and with the largest readily available DIMMs currently coming in at 2 GB in size"in reply to #5, #6 - Crucial have had 4GB PC2100 DIMMs available for purchase from their website for quite some time. They're certainly not cheap, but they are readily available. If you've got the cash I'm sure they'll sell you a few dozen of them.
DerekWilson - Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - link
MS may have needed to restrict 64bit to long longs due to some internal operating system code issues ... If, in fact, linux distros that run on x86-64 impliment 64bit longs this may be the case. Otherwise I'd lean towards a hardware issue.At this point I haven't looked into it, but I will be sure to ask around (as this is surely the place to do it).
bobsmith1492 - Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - link
Melgross - is that English?? I read it over real quickly and it was like... dude, what's he talking about? It just took a good close look though. :Pmelgross - Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - link
MS wants to control whatever they can. Control graphics memory and we are another step towards commoditized graphics boards.I wonder why MS went the way they did with the 64 bitness of the system. They went to (LL)P64 where just the long longs and the pointers are 64 bit, rather than LP64, where the longs are also 64 bit.
They are the only ones to do that. It seems like a half measure. A conversion from any Unix distro (or OS X) would need more work than is good, as well as a lessening in it's effectiveness as a 64 bit system. Are the 64 bit extentions of the x86 chips at fault?
JarredWalton - Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - link
Okay, the typos are fixed, and those that didn't like the 8-bit PNG graphics should now be happy. Iit was 4:30 AM when we finished, so our judgement was a bit impaired.) Just don't complain about how the PNGs are now five times as large. :)My personal opinion is that Windows XP removed most of the problems with the Windows platform. We'll see how Longhorn works out when it gets here, but that's still almost two years off. The graphics effects are nice, but pretty much totally unnecessary. Hopefully, we'll see some true improvements in the overall performance and not just eye candy.
Googer - Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - link
Linux on a MAC: Total freedom from with in a confined space.DerekWilson - Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - link
tbh, with the current state of things Linux game performance is not up to par with windows. Even with windows managing graphics memory, windows performance will likely be better.And from a workstation perspective, having virtualized graphics memory for free is more of a blessing than a curse.
I do think it would be better if MS gave graphics developers a choice whether to allow windows to manage graphics memory or not...
Son of a N00b - Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - link
dont you dare go screwing up the performance of my vid card ms...if you do im going linux...suryad - Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - link
Agreed. Windows should not be managing graphics ram...unless MS came up with some new techniques...MS seems to be pulling out all the stops though in my opinion. I think the hybrid drive is a good idea but like #12 said...that is quite a concern!Cygni - Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - link
#10's post makes me giggle.