WinHEC 2005: Coverage Wrap
by Derek Wilson & Jarred Walton on April 29, 2005 2:00 PM EST- Posted in
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Closing Thoughts
If we were to be brutally honest, there wasn't a whole lot of new or amazing stuff shown at WinHEC. Even a first time tradeshow attendee (Jarred) noticed that there were a lot of bored looks. To quote a representative from a major hardware vendor, "I think a lot of companies just come out of respect for Microsoft." Still, after the rather lackluster Keynote presentation, there was plenty of useful information when we dug a little deeper. With over 90% of the market, Microsoft pretty much defines the future of most computers right now. If they say it's time to have DX9 level 3D graphics in Windows - whether that be on a Desktop, Laptop, Server, or Workstation PC - then it's pretty much a foregone conclusion. It will be interesting to see how the server platforms make use of 3D (or if they even make use of it).While we applaud Microsoft for bringing forth the advancements in Longhorn, we have to admit that they are long overdue. The advancements in metadata and file representation have been around in the Linux world for years, and Apple's OS X is still hands and feet above anything we've seen of MS' new look and feel. We are certainly not going to be the one to speak out against Microsoft for trying to bring their OS up to par with the rest of the world. Honestly, being the platform for which most applications are written today should place weightier expectations on Windows than other operating systems. Microsoft has a responsibility to live up to their position in the market place, and unless they make some huge unforeseen strides with Longhorn, they will simply be keeping pace rather than setting it.
One of the questions we liked to ask of the various hardware vendors was what they thought the real world use scenarios and performance benefits of 64-bit would be. Obviously, servers and workstations will benefit, as will anyone with a large amount of memory that wants to work with a large data set. Graphics artists that want to open up numerous large images at the same time will find it helpful, for example. But what about the more typical users that only have 1 GB of RAM in their system? We heard a lot of claims of "substantial performance increases," but there were very few people willing to quote a concrete number. AMD claimed that 20% was common, but several others felt 5% or so was a more realistic expectation, brought about by the additional registers. Obviously, opinions on what constitutes a substantial increase will vary, but if it's only 5%, we think most people are better off continuing with XP-32 for the present.
Speaking of AMD, we chatted briefly with Barry Crume (AMD's director of product planning for the server/workstation segment) about the future of processors. There were a couple of interesting things that came up in our conversation (and since Barry didn't say otherwise, we'll assume it's okay that we mention this). The first thing we talked about was CPU clock speeds. Where Intel in the past talked about reaching 10 GHz and beyond, it's telling that one of their sessions was entitled "Intel Enterprise Platform - Value Beyond GHz." One fact that came up is that at 5 GHz, light can only travel 6 cm per clock cycle, and electricity would be more like 3 or 4 cm. Barry said that he felt 4 to 5 GHz may be the maximum clock speed that we'll see without some fundamental changes in technology or really long pipelines. He also stated that CPU designs with 10 to 15 pipeline stages appear to be the optimal solution, although as many as 20 is perhaps reasonable. In other words, the days of 28 to 39 pipelines stages (Willamette, Northwood, and Prescott) are basically over. Intel is admitting as much with their increased focus on the Pentium M architecture.
The other interesting comment from Barry was that he stated AMD will be using DDR2 in a future processor. We had asked if they might simply skip DDR2 altogether and head straight to DDR3, and he said they would not be doing so. His explanation was that DDR2-400 didn't make any sense at all, and while DDR2-533 has some advantages, it's really only at DDR2-667 that performance benefits become useful. How useful? He stated that a 10% performance increase was likely. Whether this was just a guess or if AMD already has DDR2 prototype processors - remember that with the integrated memory controller, AMD will have to create a new version of their chips to support a new memory type like DDR2 - we don't know. We were actually surprised at his response, as we thought DDR3 was close enough that AMD would simply skip a generation. Then again, they might like the idea of allowing Intel users the ability to convert to AMD with the only required purchases being the motherboard and processor. Having a common memory platform certainly isn't bad for consumers.
At the end of the show, while we would definitely say that WinHEC doesn't have the flash or glitz of Computex, E3, or some of the other larger shows, there was still plenty of good information to be found. Hardware devices still need robust drivers to achieve maximum performance, and that's what WinHEC really focuses on. Will we go again next year? Maybe, or if not DevCon 2006 should only be a few months before the ship date of Longhorn. It's certainly useful to keep tabs on how MS views the industry. A better option, judging by recent MS release dates, is that we'll be sure to attend WinHEC 2007 for the actual launch of Longhorn. (The current official word is that Longhorn is due in mid to late 2006. However, given the slippage of XP-64 and features like WinFS that have been pushed back to a later update, we remain skeptical.)
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DerekWilson - Saturday, April 30, 2005 - link
heh ... not even the CPU editor has all the CPUs he needs. We've been passing our one set of dual core processors from both vendors around the globe. :-)JarredWalton - Friday, April 29, 2005 - link
The *official* plan is for Longhorn to be widely available by the holiday 2006 time frame (see day 1 coverage). However, I think XP-64 was supposed to be available over a year ago as well. Call me a skeptic....The point about going next year is that, from what I could tell, certain things are just repeated in slightly updated formats each year. Longhorn was discussed last WinHEC, and the information this time was simply a bit more concrete. There were still quite a few "this isn't yet finalized..." disclaimers throughout the presentations.
I suppose since I'm local to WinHEC (I'm in Olympia, WA), at the very least I'll be going to some of the MS events in the future. We'll have to see how that pans out. Maybe next time I can make it to the Sunday AMD Gaming gig and get a free Athlon 64 4000+? (Yeah, we missed out on that. Not that we don't have lots of hardware already, but having an extra CPU never hurts. Especially when you're not the CPU editor. Heheh)
PrinceGaz - Friday, April 29, 2005 - link
Fascinating. Probably the most relevent event report I've read. The IDF is interesting to see where the hardware is going, but it is the software that we use on a day to day basis, and what Microsoft are planning is likely to impact us the most in the next few years."At the end of the show, while we would definitely say that WinHEC doesn't have the appeal of Computex, E3, or some of the other larger shows, there was still plenty of good information to be found. Will we go again next year?"...
I can't believe you are even wondering whether to go again. Though if Anand is using his Mac all the time now and abandoned PCs, and those of you with PCs have switched from Windows to Linux, then I could understand your hesitation. I jest of course, but what happens with Microsoft is likely to be more important to the PC user than any hardware development, so there is no way you can neglect it.
I thought Longhorn was due out mid-2006, rather than "two years time". Longhron has seemed to be due out in "two years time" for quite a few years now, such that I wonder if it will ever actually arrive. And when it does arrive, will it actually contain many of the improvements originally touted over Windows 2000/XP (such as the central WinFS file-system which they decided would delay Longhorn too long). So are Microsoft officially saying 2007 is Longhorn year now?
Personally I'm in no hurry for Longhorn if it is crippled with DRM restrictions everywhere. The whole pointy of a PC is I can do what I wish with the media I have obtained, whether purchased or from other sources. I would say that being able to view perfect and complete "try before I buy" content has had the main effect with me of making me buy stuff I otherwise wouldn't have considered, rather than simply using it as an alternative to purchasing discs. Content protection that limits consumer choice (even if that choice includes free downloads) is and always has been detrimental to the industry.
JarredWalton - Friday, April 29, 2005 - link
DOS is still in use as a deployment tool. You can still license DOS from MS, but that will cease to be the case as of 2006. I work as an IT guy for a huge corporation, and our PC build process goes like this:1) Boot from floppy.
2) Select PC configuration.
3) Watch Drive Image clone the XP image to the HDD.
4) XP loads up and finishes the device enumeration, joins the appropriate domain, etc.
5) Choose SMS pacakages and wait.... (The final stages of the build process can take as long as an hour or two, depending on the SMS packages that are selected for installation.)
The problem is that getting DOS network drivers as well as support for newer technologies (SATA) is getting more and more difficult. The whole setup process would be more streamlined if HQ personnel didn't have to worry about DOS. I would wager that we'll still continue to use DOS and Drive Image for at least another 5 years, just because that's the way this corporation is, but it's nice to know that eventually they'll be forced to update the process to something that is hopefully faster and more robust.
icarus4586 - Friday, April 29, 2005 - link
"R.I.P. MS-DOS, 2005"This part of the article doesn't make much sense. The huge majority of Windows machines are either 2000 or XP, both of which are NT. NT does not run on DOS. MS-DOS was dead with WinME, and should have been dead far before.
ProviaFan - Friday, April 29, 2005 - link
Interesting stuff... Out of all of it, I found the (U)EFI coverage to be most intriguing, since normally the BIOS is one of the least represented PC components in computer news coverage. ;)stephenbrooks - Friday, April 29, 2005 - link
"One giant Microsoft fest"?? That got me saying "Ewww!" before I started the article. XD Images of hordes of Barney ActiMates™ coming to play with me came to mind.