CES 2006: Motherboards, Memory, Cooling, and a Few Surprises
by Wesley Fink & Jarred Walton on January 11, 2006 12:05 AM EST- Posted in
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ECS has had a few interesting designs lately. First is their hybrid motherboard platform, the PF88 Extreme Hybrid, which allows you to convert to most other CPU/RAM platforms with the purchase of the appropriate daughtercard.
Presently supported are socket 754, 939, and 479. This product has apparently done quite well in Europe and Asia, but honestly, it doesn't impress us too much. By the time you spend $40 for the daughtercard and buy a new CPU and RAM, you've spent nearly as much as what you would pay for a new platform. We would prefer to keep the old system as a secondary unit or sell it off rather than worry about plugging in a new CPU, RAM, and daughtercard and leaving the existing components in place. Some of you might still find it worthy of consideration; we would say it's interesting, but we simply don't find it particularly useful.
Multi-GPU motherboards were a major theme at ECS, with some choices that we will have to test before recommending. Every possible official option is present or in development, along with a couple of unofficial configurations. ECS was one of the few places with an RD400X based system in development, and they actually have two: The PA1 MVP and the PA1 MVP Lite. The major difference is that the Lite model omits Gigabit Ethernet support and Firewire. Both are CrossFire platforms for Intel systems.
Even more unusual are the next two multi-GPU boards, both also for socket 775. The first is the PF22, a 955X-based motherboard with two X16 slots, one with only a 4X data connection, which is nevertheless listed as being CrossFire ready. The PF5 goes one step further, sporting a 945P chipset with the same X16 slot configuration, only with the claim that it is SLI hardware ready. Both are Extreme series boards, though whether they're truly geared towards the enthusiast or not remains to be seen. ECS does have a 975X board in development as well, with dual X16 slots (both with X8 data connections). Like Aopen, their 975X board will support the Core Duo ( Yonah) chips and socket 479 as opposed to 775. All three of these boards are unusual in some form or another, and we're curious to see how they actually work in practice.
What we would really like to see is for ATI and NVIDIA to both quit arguing about chipset superiority and simply allow their cards to run on any available platform. We've seen SLI on 975X and Xpress 200, and we've seen CrossFire on all the dual-X16 slot boards. While selling both the graphics cards and the motherboard chipset brings in more money, it's better to at least sell the graphics cards than to not sell anything at all.
In the more typical areas, ECS has a dual X16 SLI board in development for socket 939, the KN2 SLI. A standard dual X8 SLI board is also available, the KN1 SLI Lite. CrossFire isn't being neglected either for AMD systems, as both the RD480 and RD580 chipsets will be supported. However, the RD580 solution will be for socket M2 (now AM2) rather than socket 939, so it's still about six months out.
There are also plenty of boards that don't include support for multiple GPUs in the works or already shipping, but these weren't as attention-grabbing as the above options. Then again, there's something to be said for sticking with the guidelines of Intel, ATI, NVIDIA, and AMD. Going against the grain is a good way to stand out, but we can only hope that it will be standing out in a good way rather than serving as an example of what not to do. Time will tell whether ECS is being creative or merely insane.
ECS also had a Viiv ready solution on display, the P60. The unit is sleek and relatively attractive, and it includes a Mini-PCI TV tuner. It remains to be seen whether ECS will be selling the P60 directly or sourcing it for other interested parties. How many of these Viiv systems will reach market and how they'll perform is still up in the air, but clearly, Intel's current direction is to push that market. Hopefully, we'll get some units in-house for further testing in the not-too-distant future.
ECS has had a few interesting designs lately. First is their hybrid motherboard platform, the PF88 Extreme Hybrid, which allows you to convert to most other CPU/RAM platforms with the purchase of the appropriate daughtercard.
Presently supported are socket 754, 939, and 479. This product has apparently done quite well in Europe and Asia, but honestly, it doesn't impress us too much. By the time you spend $40 for the daughtercard and buy a new CPU and RAM, you've spent nearly as much as what you would pay for a new platform. We would prefer to keep the old system as a secondary unit or sell it off rather than worry about plugging in a new CPU, RAM, and daughtercard and leaving the existing components in place. Some of you might still find it worthy of consideration; we would say it's interesting, but we simply don't find it particularly useful.
Multi-GPU motherboards were a major theme at ECS, with some choices that we will have to test before recommending. Every possible official option is present or in development, along with a couple of unofficial configurations. ECS was one of the few places with an RD400X based system in development, and they actually have two: The PA1 MVP and the PA1 MVP Lite. The major difference is that the Lite model omits Gigabit Ethernet support and Firewire. Both are CrossFire platforms for Intel systems.
Even more unusual are the next two multi-GPU boards, both also for socket 775. The first is the PF22, a 955X-based motherboard with two X16 slots, one with only a 4X data connection, which is nevertheless listed as being CrossFire ready. The PF5 goes one step further, sporting a 945P chipset with the same X16 slot configuration, only with the claim that it is SLI hardware ready. Both are Extreme series boards, though whether they're truly geared towards the enthusiast or not remains to be seen. ECS does have a 975X board in development as well, with dual X16 slots (both with X8 data connections). Like Aopen, their 975X board will support the Core Duo ( Yonah) chips and socket 479 as opposed to 775. All three of these boards are unusual in some form or another, and we're curious to see how they actually work in practice.
What we would really like to see is for ATI and NVIDIA to both quit arguing about chipset superiority and simply allow their cards to run on any available platform. We've seen SLI on 975X and Xpress 200, and we've seen CrossFire on all the dual-X16 slot boards. While selling both the graphics cards and the motherboard chipset brings in more money, it's better to at least sell the graphics cards than to not sell anything at all.
In the more typical areas, ECS has a dual X16 SLI board in development for socket 939, the KN2 SLI. A standard dual X8 SLI board is also available, the KN1 SLI Lite. CrossFire isn't being neglected either for AMD systems, as both the RD480 and RD580 chipsets will be supported. However, the RD580 solution will be for socket M2 (now AM2) rather than socket 939, so it's still about six months out.
There are also plenty of boards that don't include support for multiple GPUs in the works or already shipping, but these weren't as attention-grabbing as the above options. Then again, there's something to be said for sticking with the guidelines of Intel, ATI, NVIDIA, and AMD. Going against the grain is a good way to stand out, but we can only hope that it will be standing out in a good way rather than serving as an example of what not to do. Time will tell whether ECS is being creative or merely insane.
ECS also had a Viiv ready solution on display, the P60. The unit is sleek and relatively attractive, and it includes a Mini-PCI TV tuner. It remains to be seen whether ECS will be selling the P60 directly or sourcing it for other interested parties. How many of these Viiv systems will reach market and how they'll perform is still up in the air, but clearly, Intel's current direction is to push that market. Hopefully, we'll get some units in-house for further testing in the not-too-distant future.
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swatX - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
i am so dissapointed at DFI. i thought they were going to show off their mATX nforce 6150/430 board. are they even planning to release it or was this just a rumor.Wesley Fink - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
I went back to our CES pictures and found shots of the new DFI mATX GeForce boards. Since you are interested the images have been added to the coverage. It looks like the new DFI 6100/6150 boards are for real and not just rumors.swatX - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
Thanks a lot!do you know by any chance if the bios of those motherboards will be simillar to bios of their Nforce 4 motherboards.
Wesley Fink - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
The red DFI matx board is based on the ATI RS482 chipset, not the 6150 as we reported earler. We have corrected the article. DFI was not displaying a 6150 Socket 939 board, but they did have the 6100 Socket 754 which is pictured on the DFI page. We have asked DFI to update us on their 6150 plans and we will let you know as soon as we hear more.highlandsun - Thursday, January 12, 2006 - link
I read the specs for the ATI board on the DFI web site. Too bad it uses the ATI southbridge instead of ULI. http://us.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_detai...">http://us.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product...=4497&am...Otherwise, it looks pretty interesting, doesn't seem to be missing anything critical as an HTPC platform.
Avalon - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
Eh, top air cooling is somewhat close to good water cooling. However, this OCZ Revolution phase change has me very excited. The possibility of $200-$300 phase change is phenomenal!Xenoterranos - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
No Kidding. That's how much Koolance was asking for the Exos a few years back. Phase change for this cheap would cause either a massive increase in quality and quiteness among water-cooling solutions, or a massive price-drop.rjm55 - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
Great job on covering the processor cooling at CES. I've been looking for this everywhere and no one else was posting much about it. Does this attention to cooling mean you guys may be launching a cooling section in the future?tuteja1986 - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
"We couldn't provide pictures, but the new ATI video card will be launching soon. Vendors tell us that they already have GPUs and completed cards this time around and therefore, product will be on the shelves at launch. Specifications hint that this may well be the new top-end video card, outperforming even the 7800GTX 512, which appeared in small quantities in what nVidia is now calling "limited release", and which has now disappeared from the market."irony ... lol
i wonder what how fast G71 will be and will it make it in this month or late feb/early march as various website are reporting it.
JarredWalton - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
We'll be looking into it for sure. Air cooling is all about equal once you hit the $40+ parts (well, the good ones are equal anyway). Water and phase-change are way beyond anything air can do, though.