Computex 2006: 300W GPUs, Conroe, HDMI Video Cards and Lots of Motherboards
by Anand Lal Shimpi on June 5, 2006 10:24 PM EST- Posted in
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Conroe Motherboards Arrive
Everyone in Taiwan is pretty much excited about the same thing: Conroe. Intel has a major Conroe launch in Taiwan later this week, and all of the motherboard manufacturers are demonstrating their entire line of Conroe ready LGA-775 motherboards. Although Intel's brand new Broadwater chipset (965 series) is being positioned as the platform for Conroe, motherboard manufacturers have been building 975X and 945 based motherboards with Conroe support as well. Unfortunately due to changes in the VRM requirements for Conroe, no current LGA-775 motherboards will work with the new processor.
Motherboard manufacturers are particularly interested in releasing 945 based motherboards with Conroe support simply because the performance is apparently close to 965 platforms, but at a much lower cost.
Much to our surprise, ATI recently informed all of the motherboard manufacturers that CrossFire is currently not supported on 965 (Broadwater) platforms. Apparently the chipset lacks support for peer to peer writes, which are necessary for CrossFire to function. ATI is investigating if a workaround is possible but for now the only option for CrossFire on an Intel chipset with Conroe support is using the 975X platform.
We have also heard rumors of Intel working on a revised version of the 965 chipset with support for two PCI Express x8 slots, instead of the current x16 + x4 configuration. A 965 revision with balanced PCIe slots would make the job of running a multi-GPU configuration much easier, although the imbalance in PCIe lanes is not the reason why CrossFire currently doesn't work on the 965 as mentioned above.
While Conroe is the talk of the town, a few motherboard manufacturers have already received Kentsfield samples from Intel. Kentsfield is a quad-core version of Conroe, still for the desktop market, due out in the first quarter of next year. The motherboard makers that are fortunate enough to have Kentsfield have already confirmed that it is up and running on current P965 and 975X platforms.
The excitement about Conroe is also impacting the forecasts for motherboard shipments later this year. All of the motherboard manufacturers we've spoken to have indicated that they expect to ship even more Intel based motherboards by the end of this year than they currently do. We were also able to get some statistics on the breakdown of shipments according to processor type from a handful of manufacturers:
Manufacturer |
AMD Shipments |
Intel Shipments |
Albatron |
30% |
70% |
ASUS |
32% |
68% |
ASRock |
20% |
80% |
DFI |
95% |
5% |
ECS |
25% |
75% |
Foxconn |
30% |
70% |
Gigabyte |
30% |
70% |
MSI |
50% |
50% |
The majority of manufacturers are shipping more Intel than AMD platforms, and they all expect the split to begin to shift even further in Intel's favor by the end of this year. The two notable exceptions were DFI, whose enthusiast line of motherboards are almost exclusively AMD, and MSI whose shipments were balanced between the two manufacturers.
The other item that's driving Intel motherboard shipments are the July price cuts, which are nothing short of significant. The Pentium D 805 we reviewed not too long ago will drop to an extremely low $93, which is amazing for a dual core processor. The Pentium D 900 series will also see significant price cuts, with the Pentium D 950 falling to $224 and the lower clocked cores all dropping below $200. The price cuts are of course needed in order to help move Pentium D and Pentium 4 processors after Conroe's introduction.
There is a lot of concern about the availability of Conroe, as Intel has only committed to around 25% of its mainstream and high end desktop processor shipments being Conroe by the end of this year. After Dell and HP buy up all the Conroes they will want for their systems, there simply may not be any left for the end user to buy in the channel market. Alternatively, there may end up being some supply in the channel market but at significant markups due to a shortage. It's availability that AMD is counting on to dull the impact of Conroe's launch.
Since AMD moved up its AM2 launch to before Computex, there really wasn't much to talk about with regards to AMD. While most motherboard manufacturers are showing off Socket-AM2 platforms, with no tangible performance improvement over their Socket-939 offerings the interest just isn't there. We've also encountered some frustration from motherboard manufacturers with AMD because they claim that AMD's availability of Socket-AM2 CPUs simply isn't as great as AMD had originally promised.
Interestingly enough, despite AMD's recent announcement of its new 4x4 platform none of the motherboard manufacturers we spoke to had heard of it, much less had a design ready to go. We definitely got the impression that 4x4 was a last minute effort to compete with Conroe on the high end.
The final motherboard-related item we noticed while in Taiwan was that the popularity of passively cooled motherboards has gone up tremendously. Just about every motherboard we were shown either lacked a fan or was about to be redesigned to use passive cooling only. We couldn't be happier.
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shabby - Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - link
Yes i have one, i just dont see the point of sending audio to the tv, and then back out to the reciever when you can do just send it directly from the hddvd/bluray to the reciever instead of from the hddvd to tv then back to reciever.Sending audio to one more spot might degrade quality, i said might, so why not send it directly to the reciever?
ShapeGSX - Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - link
I have an HDTV, and I never use the TV's speakers. Why have HDTV but crap 2 channel audio? Instead, I connect the digital audio to my receiver for 5.1 surround.epsilonparadox - Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - link
If you have an HDTV with more than one HDMI port and a SPDIF out, you can connect multiple HDMI sources to the TV and you can take an optical cable from the TV to your receiver since HDMI carries 5.1 channel audio.TauRusIL - Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - link
Guys, the HDMI cable will go to your receiver carrying both video and audio, then the receiver will send the video out to your HDTV. That's the setup that makes sense to me. No point in sending audio to the HDTV directly. Most newer generation receivers include HDMI switching already.namechamps - Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - link
Lots of people will want to run the HDMI to their HDTV. Just because you dont understand it doesn't mean there isn't a very good reason.Here is my setup. I have a cable connection connected directly to the HDTV (cable card slot), and my xbox360 hooked to HDMI. My next project is too add a HD-DVD player and when HDMI video cards become common I will have an HTPC hooked by HDMI also. So I got 4 inputs (cable internal and xbox360, HD-DVD players, HTPC on HDMI) hooked to HDTV. With me so far. Now my TV can play the audio directly (yeah it's 2.1) but there are times when I dont want/need the loudness of my receiver. Late at night or when listening to the news dolby digital 5.1 is just overkill.
NOW here is the part you dont understand (and therefore quick to bash others). Most HDTV (mine inclded) have SPDIF OUTPUT. If I hit monitor mute on my remote then the TV speakers shutoff and any digital audio goes directly to the SPDIF. So regardless if I am watching terresterial HDTV, HDTV cable, regular cables, HD-DVD, xbox360 or eventially anything from my HTPC the TV bypasses it directly to the SPDIF output.
So with 1 HDMI cable per source plus only 1 toslink optical cable to my receiver I have hooked up ALL my audio & video gear.
If I listened to "experts" like yourself then I would have three limitations
1) much more cables
2) can't use TV speakers when I just want quiet simple 2.1
3) no high quality way to handle digital cable, and OTA HDTV without 2 more set top boxes.
Now the largest advantage to a setup like this is simplicity. Remember you may be an audio/video expert but 90% of consumers are not. With HDMI they can connect EVERYTHING to their TV. If they dont have a home theater system no problem, if they do then they connect 1 cable from TV to receiver and they are done. Compare that to the rats nest of cables behind most entertainment centers and you can see why the industry is pushing HDMI.
CKDragon - Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - link
OK, legitimate questions here; please don't feel the urge to own me. :P1) Let me make sure I understand you, first: With the setup that you describe, it seems that you would have one less HDMI cable and only 1 total SPDIF cable, correct?
2) Are HDTVs with 4+ HDMI ports common/reasonably priced? I haven't made the HD plunge, but it seems as though most of the ones I browse at have 2.
3) The method you describe sounds very efficient and I believe I understand the benefits for HDMI components. How do older components that only have analog cables fit into the equation? I'm certain that you could route those through your receiver, but I'd imagine that takes away from the fluidity of your setup. Will the HDTV pass even analog audio signals out to the receiver? In your post, you mentioned digital audio specifically being passed, so I was hoping you could clarify.
4) The digital audio being passed through the HDTV, does it degrade sound quality at all? I remember years ago when I bought my receiver I had to look for a certain quality specification regarding component video cable switching to make sure that the receiver wouldn't degrade the video signal upon pass through. I was wondering if this was a similar situation.
Sorry for the length, but if you or anyone else could answer this I'd be appreciative.
Thanks,
CK
namechamps - Thursday, June 8, 2006 - link
Will try not to own anyone...1) Not sure if I understand the question but the total # of HDMI cables = # of HDMI sources. They all connect to the HDTV. There is only 1 SPDIF (optical/toslink) and it runs from HDTV to receiver.
2) No very expensive. However there are some with 2-3 HDMI that are more reasonably priced. Expect this to change. All future models of HDTV seems to be including more & more HDMI while eliminating DVI, and other ports. I would expect soon most HDTV made will be 3-4 HDMI plus 1 or 2 of each "legacy" port (composite, s-video, component).
3) My TV will digitize analog audio and route is over the spdif out however I havent ever used that feature. The digital cable from cablecard slot does need to be converted and passed to spdif I assume however I havent experienced any audio issues. Best way to find this out is stay away from Bestbuy and goto a real home theater store. Those AV experts can help you sort through all the options.
One side not HDMI 1.2 (current version) only supports "single link" and up to 5.1 audio. The newer HDMI 1.3 (being developed) will support "dual link" and more advanced audio like DolbyDigital TrueHD, and a couple others. I dont find this to be a limitation but some users may.
4) There is no degrading because the signal is digital and the HDTV simply allows it to pass through unchanged. Now if you have analog audio sources there may be more of an issues but I dont know about that.
ChronoReverse - Monday, June 5, 2006 - link
If it turns out the low-end Conroes will overclock very well (I suspect they might), an Intel purchase might in the horizon for me (my last Intel chip was a Tualatin).I've just sold my Athlon64 mobo and CPU while I can still get a reasonable price for them. If I can't get Conroe for a good price, then I'll pick up the used X2's that should be flooding the For Sale forums =)
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